Hat Tip to Brittney at NIT
I saw this earlier today – I love it!
Wait, so is that soldier pictured from WWII? The Civil War? Certainly not the revolutionary war…his clothes look too modern. I want to puke everytime I hear anyone say they are fighting and dying for my freedom, and if anything, our military right now is helping to create the anger toward my country that may eventually lead to the loss of my freedom. My freedom hasn’t been seriously challenged in my lifetime. They are fighting and dying for their personal anger demons and a college scholarship
Y: Give it up. They are fighting because they were sent over there. If you have a problem with the war blame Bush. But to jump on men and women dying for our country make me sick. My father served for more than a “college scholarship” for 25 years.
Do you have the right to be against this war? Absolutely, but you just show your ignorance when you blame the men and women that are over there. Since when did you become John Kerry with your ignorant quotes about military men??
I’m really not one to pile onto someone serving in the armed forces, because I agree with you that if anyone should be blamed for the current military plans, it is Bush and those underneath him. What I object to is just whenever someone, whether in the military or not, says that our soldiers are fighting for our freedoms. It is a tired, untrue slogan that has been used by Americans for years to justify the unjustifiable.
Let me make an analogy, and please look at this with a bit of maturity and not simply attack that my analogy isn’t exact, because they never are. Lets say that you are walking down the street, and you see some guy just beating the hell out of another guy. Obviously, you are curius, so you call to the guy doing the beating and ask, “Why are you beating him up”
The guy responds, “I am fighting for the honor and safety of my wife and child.”
You shrug your shoulders and think, “man, I can’t say much to that. It sounds like a pretty noble reason to do something that on the face, may be really wrong or really right depending on the circumstances.”
Now, lets assume two alternate endings. 1) you find out that the wife and child were nearby and getting beaten and raped by the guy who is now being beaten up. If that is the case, the man doing the beating is probably doing the right thing, and his justification is true. 2) The man is a homeless man sitting on the side of the road. When the man, his wife, and child walk by the homeless man, the homeless man asks them for money. The man then flips out and beats up the homeless man because it is conceivable that is a series of unlikely events were to transpire (say, a 1% chance…), then his wife and child would be hurt, and he needs to do whatever necessary to stop that from happening.
Given the second situation, is the man saying that he is doing harm to another for the safety of his wife and child untrue? By some definitions, yes. Could it be understood by some to be true? Sure, but that doesn’t make it right.
“Fighting for our freedoms” has been marked off as the ultimate support of any military action, and I am just saying that soldiers and those who support them should have the honesty and integrity to not try to make their actions more noble than they actually are.
On a side note, I work with and know from school several folks that are living here, but were born and grew up in another country. Something that I have found interesting in talking with them about the politics of their home country is that very few people seem concerned about their personal freedoms. The idea of fighting for your freedom is a uniquely American idea that would make sense in several European nations, and might make sense to a minority of folks who see things that way, but the majority of the world doesn’t understand the idea.
Now, I personally enjoy our freedoms and think we ought to have more of them, but I think it is important to realize that when we do things around the world the impact the lives of others, they do not fully understand our rationale of protecting our freedoms, just as we do not understand the ultra-right-muslim concept of Sharia law or jihad.
Just because others don’t understand our foreign policy doesn’t always make our foreign policy wrong, but I think it is important to realize the impact is has on them and how they view it.
Sorry for the long post.
Again, you have the right to feel that way, but blame the man who sent them do not insult the men who are carrying out there duties.
I disagree with your point about the war, but that is not the point I was making. Insulting the men doesn’t make sense, it just shows how you really feel about the military.
“They are fighting and dying for their personal anger demons and a college scholarship”.
All that Y is saying is that they aren’t fighting for freedom. They are fighting because the government told them to… and when people pull out the “fighting for our freedom” card, its supposedly a trump that says its ok for them to do what they are doing.
What they are doing, according to many, is not fighting for our freedom… just like Bosnia wasn’t fighting for our freedom. When a certain group attacks us, that is the only time when someone could say “fighting for our freedom”. When you preemptively start a war because someone MIGHT be a threat to us, you’re walking a fine line. I realize this is a post nine eleven world, but I think our money would be better spent on intelligence and promoting ideology that doesn’t involve blowing yourself up in those countries. Our government should support people on the ground in non violent resistance to these evil tyrannical governments that are the cause of so much of this terrorism. What we are doing now just pisses people off more and makes the circle of violence continue.
Our volunteer military is composed of people who did it for college scholarships and by people who desire to protect this country, but they are in a catch 22, because even when their conscience says that what they are doing is wrong, they signed a contract to follow orders of whomever is in the oval office.
A good book about the mindset of the modern soldier is “Generation Kill” by Evan Wright. Reading that book will make you very jaded about the nobility of our military. This of all the 19 year olds you know. Think about them with guns, sleep deprivation, extreme stress and frustration, and the nobility of what goes on over there goes out the window.
No offense Justin, but one of the few phrases that annoys me more than “fighting for our freedom” is “post-9/11 world”. The only thing that changed from 9/10 to 9/11 was that most of the country was paying attention long enough for the current administration to do scare the shit out of them and do an unprecedented power grab that we are still feeling today.
What makes the soldier of today any different than the Nazi soldiers? Sometimes the excuse of being there because you were ordered to be there crosses the line. Better to be courtmartialed and possibly serve prison time and be with God than to murder and murder, all because you were told to do it.
Belinda raises a good point. If you were the accountant for Enron, would you cook the books or would you leave the company? Should Christians serve the government when the government goes against what Christ teaches? Maybe David Lipscomb had it right… pay taxes and let the government do what its going to do. God may use it for his purposes, but its going to do things that Christians shouldn’t sign on to, so where’s your allegiance.
Nice, now we’re comparing our men in the military to nazi soldiers. I think I’m done here.
If you are against the war that is one thing, against the military (those Nazi’s) just shows that if it weren’t for others you wouldn’t have the freedoms you do today. Again to make sure it is clear I am not saying this war is protecting our freedoms, what about the Civil War, Revolutionary War, WWI, WWII…
I haven’t maligned the soldiers in those wars, though I challenge anyone to defend the morality or usefulness to the national security of the US of WWI. I do not think Belinda is maligning them either. I believe she is just saying that simply saying that you were doing what you were told does not give a free moral pass. She is not saying our soldiers are Nazis.
That picture makes me very very sad.
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